Имаме най-сетне проби на bulgars. Две. От Харкивско.

[tantin]

За готското нашествие:

(това обаче не е свързано със сарматите).

Редактирано Август 17 от tantin

[dario]

Днес излязоха G25 координатите - реално става въпрос за 3 семпъла с етикет Bulgar. 

Както се вижда и 3те профила са доста азиатски, като UKR143 е всъщност предимно източно-кавказец смесен с източно-азиатско. Другите плотват в близост до Казахстан и Тюркменистан. Профилите са от контекста на култура Салтово, което донякъде може да обясни защо и трите профила са толкова различни. Усещам, че сега както и със Самоводене всички ще кажат, че това не са истински Прабългари и за това са азиатци, ама каквото-такова
 

Saltiv_Culture:UKR143,0.09675,0.101553,-0.030547,-0.018734,-0.036007,0.008925,0.00423,0.004846,-0.048268,-0.028976,-0.000162,0.001499,-0.008771,0.007294,0.014115,-0.010342,0.000522,0.002027,-0.012821,-0.008129,0.000873,-0.002597,-0.005669,-0.000843,0.005628

Saltiv_Culture:UKR144,0.059188,-0.195997,0.040352,-0.015504,-0.037853,-0.019522,0.014101,0.017076,-0.009408,0.000729,-0.01088,-0.002398,0.000892,0.003716,0.002036,0.000796,0.002217,-0.00114,0.001383,-0.000125,-0.007612,-0.000989,-0.006286,0.00241,0.013891

Saltiv_Culture:UKR147,0.079676,-0.019295,0.018102,-0.005491,-0.036007,-0.012271,0.00893,0.012923,-0.010635,-0.000182,0.002761,-0.003147,0.001635,0.007156,0.009229,-0.001326,-0.000261,-0.000887,-0.010936,-0.013882,-0.006738,0.000247,-0.001109,0.001084,-0.003832

 

 

Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR143
Distance: 2.7744% / 0.02774429 | ADC: 2x RC
40.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
38.8 Avar_o
20.6 Kumyk

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR143
0.03238165 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan
0.03276885 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.03288735 Kumyk
0.03443585 Avar_o
0.03502606 Tat_Azerbaijan
0.03724523 Ingushian
0.03806353 Karata
0.03935095 Bagvalin_o
0.03979513 Lezgin
0.04096352 Tat_Dagestan_Nyugdi
0.04103642 Balkar
0.04130096 Chechen
0.04137345 Karachay
0.04156169 Circassian
0.04218715 North_Ossetian
0.04233350 Kabardin
0.04319459 Cherkes
0.04323233 Azerbaijani_Republic_Gabala
0.04351719 Azerbaijani_Republic_Shaki
0.04401529 Adygei
0.04467163 Georgian_Tush
0.04482329 Ossetian
0.04502743 Georgian_Khevs
0.04618899 Bagvalin
0.04631982 Hinukh



Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR144
Distance: 1.7445% / 0.01744457 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Karakalpak
12.2 Kazakh
9.8 Dolgan
6.2 Samaritan
4.2 Lawa
2.8 Yakut_Sakha
1.2 Madagascar_Temoro

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR144
0.03074131 Karakalpak
0.03708675 Kazakh
0.04386302 Nogai
0.05251042 Kazakh_Xinjiang
0.05489988 Hazara
0.05514782 Kirghiz_Tajikistan_Pamir
0.05964925 Altaian_Kizhi_o
0.06571735 Nogai_Dobruja
0.06622263 Uygur
0.06995507 Kirghiz
0.07131100 Kirghiz_China
0.07753829 Teleut
0.07816151 Tubalar
0.07875211 Buryat_o
0.08933407 Khakass
0.09044361 Tatar_Siberian
0.09185181 Shor
0.09250890 Kazakh_China
0.09733154 Shor_Mountain
0.10072310 Shor_Khakassia
0.10211046 Teleut_o
0.10978749 Khakass_Kachins
0.10983800 Hazara_o
0.11092196 Altaian
0.11217828 Uzbek


Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR147
Distance: 1.6067% / 0.01606691 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.0 Turkish_Balikesir
21.0 Turkmen
11.4 Besermyan
11.2 Yakut_Sakha
6.2 Chuvash
5.2 Berber_MAR_ERR

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR147
0.04974355 Turkmen
0.05338106 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.05419193 Turkmen_Iran
0.06491963 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.06760682 Tatar_Lipka
0.07761008 Tajik_Tajikistan_Hisor
0.07854267 Tajik_Tajikistan_Ayni
0.08680287 Turkish_Antalya
0.09141508 Turkish_Balikesir
0.09194273 Turkish_Giresun
0.09373496 Uzbek
0.09422868 Tatar_Kazan
0.09549427 Tajik_Tajikistan_Kulob
0.09842206 Turkish_Denizli
0.09870581 Turkish_Aydin
0.09964659 Pamiri_Sarikoli
0.10768807 Besermyan
0.10911415 Pamiri_Badakhshan
0.11018856 Bashkir
0.11036294 Pamiri_Wakhi
0.11209391 Tajik_Afghanistan
0.11440579 Pamiri_Rushan
0.11444763 Pamiri_Shugnan
0.11489931 Tajik_Yaghnobi
0.11492327 Pamiri_Ishkashim

[Стоян Денев]

On 17.08.2024 г. at 20:35, tantin said:

За готското нашествие:

(това обаче не е свързано със сарматите).

Как стигнахте до готите? Изтествахте ли двете проби булгари дали са прабългарите по моят метод? Има ли нещо интересно в четирите страници?

[Стоян Денев]

Преди 2 часа, dario said:

Днес излязоха G25 координатите - реално става въпрос за 3 семпъла с етикет Bulgar. 

Както се вижда и 3те профила са доста азиатски, като UKR143 е всъщност предимно източно-кавказец смесен с източно-азиатско. Другите плотват в близост до Казахстан и Тюркменистан. Профилите са от контекста на култура Салтово, което донякъде може да обясни защо и трите профила са толкова различни. Усещам, че сега както и със Самоводене всички ще кажат, че това не са истински Прабългари и за това са азиатци, ама каквото-такова
 

Saltiv_Culture:UKR143,0.09675,0.101553,-0.030547,-0.018734,-0.036007,0.008925,0.00423,0.004846,-0.048268,-0.028976,-0.000162,0.001499,-0.008771,0.007294,0.014115,-0.010342,0.000522,0.002027,-0.012821,-0.008129,0.000873,-0.002597,-0.005669,-0.000843,0.005628

Saltiv_Culture:UKR144,0.059188,-0.195997,0.040352,-0.015504,-0.037853,-0.019522,0.014101,0.017076,-0.009408,0.000729,-0.01088,-0.002398,0.000892,0.003716,0.002036,0.000796,0.002217,-0.00114,0.001383,-0.000125,-0.007612,-0.000989,-0.006286,0.00241,0.013891

Saltiv_Culture:UKR147,0.079676,-0.019295,0.018102,-0.005491,-0.036007,-0.012271,0.00893,0.012923,-0.010635,-0.000182,0.002761,-0.003147,0.001635,0.007156,0.009229,-0.001326,-0.000261,-0.000887,-0.010936,-0.013882,-0.006738,0.000247,-0.001109,0.001084,-0.003832

 

 

Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR143
Distance: 2.7744% / 0.02774429 | ADC: 2x RC
40.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
38.8 Avar_o
20.6 Kumyk

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR143
0.03238165 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan
0.03276885 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.03288735 Kumyk
0.03443585 Avar_o
0.03502606 Tat_Azerbaijan
0.03724523 Ingushian
0.03806353 Karata
0.03935095 Bagvalin_o
0.03979513 Lezgin
0.04096352 Tat_Dagestan_Nyugdi
0.04103642 Balkar
0.04130096 Chechen
0.04137345 Karachay
0.04156169 Circassian
0.04218715 North_Ossetian
0.04233350 Kabardin
0.04319459 Cherkes
0.04323233 Azerbaijani_Republic_Gabala
0.04351719 Azerbaijani_Republic_Shaki
0.04401529 Adygei
0.04467163 Georgian_Tush
0.04482329 Ossetian
0.04502743 Georgian_Khevs
0.04618899 Bagvalin
0.04631982 Hinukh



Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR144
Distance: 1.7445% / 0.01744457 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Karakalpak
12.2 Kazakh
9.8 Dolgan
6.2 Samaritan
4.2 Lawa
2.8 Yakut_Sakha
1.2 Madagascar_Temoro

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR144
0.03074131 Karakalpak
0.03708675 Kazakh
0.04386302 Nogai
0.05251042 Kazakh_Xinjiang
0.05489988 Hazara
0.05514782 Kirghiz_Tajikistan_Pamir
0.05964925 Altaian_Kizhi_o
0.06571735 Nogai_Dobruja
0.06622263 Uygur
0.06995507 Kirghiz
0.07131100 Kirghiz_China
0.07753829 Teleut
0.07816151 Tubalar
0.07875211 Buryat_o
0.08933407 Khakass
0.09044361 Tatar_Siberian
0.09185181 Shor
0.09250890 Kazakh_China
0.09733154 Shor_Mountain
0.10072310 Shor_Khakassia
0.10211046 Teleut_o
0.10978749 Khakass_Kachins
0.10983800 Hazara_o
0.11092196 Altaian
0.11217828 Uzbek


Target: Saltiv_Culture:UKR147
Distance: 1.6067% / 0.01606691 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.0 Turkish_Balikesir
21.0 Turkmen
11.4 Besermyan
11.2 Yakut_Sakha
6.2 Chuvash
5.2 Berber_MAR_ERR

Distance to: Saltiv_Culture:UKR147
0.04974355 Turkmen
0.05338106 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.05419193 Turkmen_Iran
0.06491963 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.06760682 Tatar_Lipka
0.07761008 Tajik_Tajikistan_Hisor
0.07854267 Tajik_Tajikistan_Ayni
0.08680287 Turkish_Antalya
0.09141508 Turkish_Balikesir
0.09194273 Turkish_Giresun
0.09373496 Uzbek
0.09422868 Tatar_Kazan
0.09549427 Tajik_Tajikistan_Kulob
0.09842206 Turkish_Denizli
0.09870581 Turkish_Aydin
0.09964659 Pamiri_Sarikoli
0.10768807 Besermyan
0.10911415 Pamiri_Badakhshan
0.11018856 Bashkir
0.11036294 Pamiri_Wakhi
0.11209391 Tajik_Afghanistan
0.11440579 Pamiri_Rushan
0.11444763 Pamiri_Shugnan
0.11489931 Tajik_Yaghnobi
0.11492327 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Браво. Не няма да кажем така. Ще работим с пробите за да видим колко от тези са участвали в средновековната и сегашната смеска. Пробите не са ли 4?

Moже да са дошли в Украйна с хуните, сарматите и аварите.

Редактирано Преди 3 минути от Стоян Денев

[makebulgar]

Може и да са от тюркския хаганат или да са хазари.